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MrSoyouthink (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@jimmyti9cer - So what does it mean to falsify a hypothesis?
jimmyti9cer (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@MrSoyouthink science cannot prove anything false.that is a fundamental portion of the scientific process.
Vynjira (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@MrSoyouthink "certainly an ideal of science is to devise a set of axioms"The central concept in the scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based.Sometimes theoretical methods make use of basic axioms, established scientific laws, or previous experimental results in order to engage in reasoned model building and theoretical inquiry.It is unpractical to use that definition of Truth and it wasn't the way I meant it when I said it originally as I explained.
MrSoyouthink (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@Vynjira - And it is certainly an ideal of science is to devise a set of axioms from which all phenomena of the external world can be deduced ( we see this in physics, biology etc). Reason and logic do rely on axioms and presuppositions. "We can find the truth with science is a presupposition of science. Are you saying that truth is scientific and not philosophical and are you saying that truth does not rely on axioms? To me, mathmatics is everything and our best shot at uncovering "truth".
MrSoyouthink (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@Vynjira - "Truth exists at the scope of which it is defined, just like every other word in any language."Irrr, this is what I have been saying to you, its odd the you debate it. Truth exist by definition, just like GOD, evidence etc.. The world is what we define it to be and we have no way of gaining a greater understanding of reality, outside our system. In fact we can say that energy never gos into or out of the universe, so the proposition that we can be dead or outside sounds religious.
Vynjira (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@BeatleEDs Truth exists at the scope of which it is defined, just like every other word in any language.
BeatleEDs (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@Vynjira - Dude, TT is right. You have no f****ing clue. Reason and logic and "truth" only exist in our heads. Unless you believe they don't. Are you offering some proof that truth exist?
Vynjira (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@MrSoyouthink I'm sure you've heard of the Scientific Method. Scientists define falsifiable terms in order to "prove" or "disprove" a prediction based on based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.Axiomatic systems set a proposition that is not proved or demonstrated but considered to be either self-evident.You can look up Axiomatic Method and the Scientific Method, because you clearly have no clue they are different.
Vynjira (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@MrSoyouthink No, I said truth and I am the one defining Truth. You don't get to say Truth doesn't exist and then assert your definition of Truth in place of mine to refute it. Sorry to say that, its called a Straw Man Fallacy. Further it is the definition most people use when they say Truth.So it doesn't matter that you are talking about a different definition, I even addressed that earlier. That is what you aren't getting. I don't care about absolute truth because it isn't practical.
BeatleEDs (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@MrSoyouthink - Science, by its very nature, is never capable of proving the non-existence of anything. |
